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Parental Alienation experts
One thing every expert agrees on:
PARENTAL ALIENATION IS CHILD ABUSE! AB-PA needs to STOP! There are many EXCELLENT people out there. Amy J. Baker http://www.amyjlbaker.com/ Amy is pretty amazing. She has written many books about Parental Alienation. |
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Dr. Richard Warshak
http://www.warshak.com/ Richard is phenomenal. His book Divorce Poison is a superb all around book. His movie Welcome Back Pluto is fantastic. |
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Lawyers and Judges know! A book published by the American Bar Association (ABA) authored by Brynne V Rivlin & Stanley S Clawar, states in the title the ABA is aware of this child abuse
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What is a parental alienation expert? Are they people that know Parental alienation?
Doctors that understand the DSM-5? Are they important because they wrote a book?
Are they psychologists that claim they are an expert.
An expert is someone that has a means to an end. While some people say they are an expert, one has to ask themselves, where is their solution to stop AB-PA? Someone that is trying to get the APA to recognize the need for there to be a special population of people. Someone that realizes it is about the children and parents.
When you see an "EXPERT" refuse to acknowledge, belittle, or out-right show a bias from something that may help all involved in this nightmare, you begin to wonder about the validity of that self proclaimed expert.
AB-PA has a model that works and is found in the book Foundations.
I asked Karen Woodall a so called expert from the UK, what she thought about the book foundations. below is our exchange. The part in blue is communication that the moderator refused to allow me to write on her blog. I have much admiration for some of the Experts, but simply put, an expert that belittles another and refuses to acknowledge their work, especially when It could put an end to AB-PA leaves me extremely sad and upset.
- Ken Gottfried · 1 Day AgoDear Karen, i have one simple question. Since you are an expert,The book Foundations by Dr Craig Childress seems to explain Attachment-Based Parental-alienation. It uses all the constructs and fathers of pshcology. What is your feeling of this book and why have ypu not adopted it as the model to solve this epidemic.
Ken
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Reply- karenwoodall · 1 Day Agobecause it is not the bible and does not say anything other than what has been said and done by psychiatrists in the UK for five decades already. The idea that no-one who works with parental alienation does not already use the concept of shared delusional disorder and trans-generational transmission of trauma is a nonsense. I cannot show you court reports from the UK because I would be in contempt of court but I can assure you that every report written, every assessment undertaken, includes all of those matters which are laid out in Foundations. The other reason why no expert will work with Childress is because he is unprofessional, he has not submitted his work for peer review, he has not published other than to self publish – and his model – which is not his model at all, is not the magical answer he tells you it is. No-one is stopping Childress from proving his method works, no professional is standing in his way, no-one is silencing him or preventing him from doing it, he can (and should) get on and demonstrate it’s efficacy, have it evaluated and peer reviewed and then his bullying demands might make some sense. His curation of the diagnostic indicators for shared delusional disorder have already been used in the UK for FIVE DECADES. It is not new, it is not the magic answer to the problem.
Ask yourself this. If Childress has the answer, why does he need the support of Bill Bernet, Amy Baker, PASG and me (amongst others he has attacked in the past)? If he has the answer then the answer should simply be applied and shown to work. That would render anyone who opposes the answer null and void.
In reality no-one opposes Childress. No-one is arguing with him. We are simply waiting for the evidence and that is all that is going on here. You and others are being convinced of a conspiracy which simply does not exist other than in a great big projection.
That is the only statement I will make on this subject. I will not post any further comments about it and I will not allow abuse of me or anyone else in this field who does this work to continue on the basis of fabrications and manipulations of vulnerable people. That is my answer. There is nothing more to say.
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Reply- Kenneth Gottfried · 1 Day AgoHi Karen,
FIrst and foremost, thank you for answering. I do not want to start an argument. THIS was never my intention. My intention is and will always be to stop AB-PA from happening and protect children and parents. We are talking about suicide and serious emotional issues here so we need to have a conversation honestly and openly.
I have asked independent therapist I have worked with and they agree with the book Foundations. I have asked Antonio Puente the president of the APA, as well as many board members of the APA, only to receive NO RESPONSE, I have asked psychology professors at Appalachian State University, NO RESPONSE, I have asked Michael Bone, Amy Baker NO RESPONSE, Any normal persons response should be Hmm. Let me look into it or that’s interesting or I have but… even, HOLY SHIT, REALLY? But not getting a single response from any of these so called experts is unprofessional, incompetent, and damn unforgivable when children and parents are committing suicide.
Dr Childress may have called them out, but my questions to these experts were from 3 yrs ago, 1 year ago, 1 week ago, with follow ups. 20 emails to the APA and Dr. PUENTE with nonreturned phone calls. So when you ask for a peer review. I have several times direct to “professionals” that should at least RESPOND.
Listen, I don’t give a damn if Dr Childress is a monkey trainer in Zimbabwe. If someone came out with a complete diagnosis and proved a theory of AB-PA IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION AS AN EXPERT TO LOOK INTO IT! You owe it to your clients, children, and parents. You owe it to your god damn profession!
For you to sit back and say well there are things that he has that are accurate is awesome.
What do you think would happen if You, Baker, Bone, Warshak and others read his book and said this is good and engulfs the FOUNDATIONS of psychology itself.
I was just hoping someone else was willing to stand up and say something. Something maybe different because for the life of me I can’t figure out why, “when you have an answer directly in front of you, why the hell would you ignore it?”
Sincerely
Kenneth Gottfried
Like - karenwoodall · 1 Day AgoKenneth, can I ask you whether you have read my response and whether in doing so you have digested what it means?
Please read it again, I have said all there is to say and if you really read what I have written, all of the answers to your questions are in there.
And I simply do not have anything else left to say on the matter.
I wish you well.
Karen
Like - Kenneth Gottfried · 22 Hours AgoYour comment is awaiting moderation.
Hi Karen,
Happy to do so.
because it is not the bible and does not say anything other than what has been said and done by psychiatrists in the UK for five decades already.
OK, then please ask me why AB-PA is still happening? Saying it vs putting it down in writing gives you and other experts the validity of having this adopted by the APA and used for the special population.
The idea that no-one who works with parental alienation does not already use the concept of shared delusional disorder and trans-generational transmission of trauma is a nonsense. I cannot show you court reports from the UK because I would be in contempt of court but I can assure you that every report written, every assessment undertaken, includes all of those matters which are laid out in Foundations.
This statement is WONDERFUL. As you said these are court reports that can not be shown. Foundations is a book that completely describes AB-PA and can be disseminated and adopted by the APA to explicitly STOP this form of CHILD ABUSE from happening in courts. Great point.
The other reason why no expert will work with Childress is because he is unprofessional, he has not submitted his work for peer review, he has not published other than to self publish – and his model – which is not his model at all, is not the magical answer he tells you it is.
Children and parents committing suicide or being abused vs some idiot being unprofessional. NOT A COMPARISON. I really do not give a damn if it was written by the EVIL villain in any movie, Are you really going to say, I could have saved that 9-year-old girl but I didn’t because I don’t like this guy Craig that wrote a book?
Peer-Review? You of all people know how many FLYING MONKEYS are out there. To be torn to shreds before it even hit the ground would destroy even the best of us.
The definition of Irony: Alienating a book about Alienation.
No-one is stopping Childress from proving his method works, no professional is standing in his way, no-one is silencing him or preventing him from doing it, he can (and should) get on and demonstrate it’s efficacy, have it evaluated and peer reviewed and then his bullying demands might make some sense. His curation of the diagnostic indicators for shared delusional disorder have already been used in the UK for FIVE DECADES. It is not new, it is not the magic answer to the problem.
That is exactly the point, NONE OF IT IS NEW! It goes right to the heart of the DSM-5 V995.51 and explains why and how, from the building blocks and founders of Psychology itself. How long must we wait for you to say, He is right or he is wrong and why. How many more Children have to fall victim to Splitting, depression, anxiety etc, before you start working together.
Ask yourself this. If Childress has the answer, why does he need the support of Bill Bernet, Amy Baker, PASG and me (amongst others he has attacked in the past)? If he has the answer then the answer should simply be applied and shown to work. That would render anyone who opposes the answer null and void.
OK, Here you go. Most of you professionals are on the same page and SOME of you, are too arrogant to realize it!
For Amy Baker to say, I did this for 8 years, and Bone to say I did that for 10, and bennet to say I did that for 6, and you to say I did that for 9, and Warshak to say I did that for 12 and get TOGETHER and back AB-PA. Then to YELL AT THE APA and prevent this from happening, instead of playing volley ball with pieces of Gardner makes my heart cry!!!! You are not doing this for your wallets. You are doing this because you saw there was something really wrong and it needed help and awareness.
In reality, no-one opposes Childress. No-one is arguing with him. We are simply waiting for the evidence and that is all that is going on here.
The facts are, you and all the rest of the experts have the evidence. The evidence that will match up to over 100 years of experience. Imagine what would happen if you and the other experts sent a press release out explaining that Lawyers and Judges are in some instances are committing CHILD ABUSE and it was described in Foundations and listed in the DSM-5. The fact that you and the rest refuse to get together to do this BOGGLES MY MIND.
ANALOGY: It’s like hearing some guy Jeff has the cure for cancer, But Jeff is a dick, so let people die.
You and others are being convinced of a conspiracy which simply does not exist other than in a great big projection.
I am sorry you feel this way.
I am sorry to say I believe you are misapplying the word projection. You stated a couple of times that Dr. Childress work in foundations is work that we have done for 50 years. There is nothing new.
What would be so wrong if you and your experience reviewed the book Foundations and used it when talking in court?
I am asking to please drop your ego, only for a while and brainstorm this. Even if there is a correction or input or chapter to include that helps clarify something. What and who would it hurt?
I do not know Dr. Childress personally but I am friendly with dozens of groups on Facebook thousands of people in this arena. Been alienated by the president of the APA for asking questions. I have seen posts of people that have committed suicide young and old, and ask, what will it take for you and the other experts to get together?
That is the only statement I will make on this subject. I will not post any further comments about it and I will not allow abuse of me or anyone else in this field who does this work to continue on the basis of fabrications and manipulations of vulnerable people. That is my answer. There is nothing more to say.
As I have said before,
Thank you for responding
Kenneth Gottfried
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- Kenneth Gottfried · 1 Day AgoHi Karen,
- karenwoodall · 1 Day Agobecause it is not the bible and does not say anything other than what has been said and done by psychiatrists in the UK for five decades already. The idea that no-one who works with parental alienation does not already use the concept of shared delusional disorder and trans-generational transmission of trauma is a nonsense. I cannot show you court reports from the UK because I would be in contempt of court but I can assure you that every report written, every assessment undertaken, includes all of those matters which are laid out in Foundations. The other reason why no expert will work with Childress is because he is unprofessional, he has not submitted his work for peer review, he has not published other than to self publish – and his model – which is not his model at all, is not the magical answer he tells you it is. No-one is stopping Childress from proving his method works, no professional is standing in his way, no-one is silencing him or preventing him from doing it, he can (and should) get on and demonstrate it’s efficacy, have it evaluated and peer reviewed and then his bullying demands might make some sense. His curation of the diagnostic indicators for shared delusional disorder have already been used in the UK for FIVE DECADES. It is not new, it is not the magic answer to the problem.
- sarahchafai123 · 1 Day AgoDear Karen
I wrote you several emails. Please cn you cooperate with Dr. Childress, we could really need your help. Juno Groups are up in 21 Countries, many in Europe, only promoting the AB-PA model. We could need your help. Thank you and kind regards from Switzerland
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Reply- karenwoodall · 1 Day AgoNo I will not do so. Please do not write to me again.
for my reasoning see the comment above. I will say nothing more on the matter.
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- karenwoodall · 1 Day AgoNo I will not do so. Please do not write to me again.
- karenwoodall · 6 Minutes AgoKenneth, I told you that I will say no more on the matter. But I will say this.
Your guru has to publish the evidence. He has shouted about it long and hard enough. Publish and prove that this is the key. Stop demanding that every other expert agree that he has found the magic key and publish properly the evidence.
I would like you to stop sending me messages now please. I do not want to enter into debate with you and I do not wish to receive posts which tell me that I am killing children and families. It is offensive and it is wasting the valuable time I need to focus on my work. If you send such posts again I will add them to the archive for evidence of harassment.
Here is my response. I did not post this on her blog.
Dear Karen,
I am sorry that you find it so adversarial to look over a book that has a working model of AB-PA in it.
The fact is, Dr. Childress is not my guru as you put it. He is a Doctor that saw a pattern and created the book Foundations and coined the term AB-PA. The book was no ordinary book. It was a story of what was happening in my life. It is a story that is happening (Has happened) to so many people world wide. Dr. Warshak wrote a book called Divorce Poison and it is amazing. The only issue, it does not have the working model that Foundations has, and that the APA can adopt.
Also, you made a comment " I am killing children and families.".
For you not to comprehend that a result of AB-PA sometimes brings people to suicide makes me wonder: expert?.
I have seen way to many death notices on these Facebook forums to know this is real. Every time I see another post like that, my heart breaks and my life saddens. There goes another child that will live without their parent or a parent that will live without their child. The sooner we get everyone on board with AB-PA or just Parental Alienation the less people will have to go through this living nightmare.
The point I am trying to make is the same one I have for all the "experts".
GET TOGETHER, BACK UP EACH OTHER, and SOLVE THIS, before we all see another obituary of a child or a parent!
Kenneth Gottfried
Dear Karen,
I am sorry that you find it so adversarial to look over a book that has a working model of AB-PA in it.
The fact is, Dr. Childress is not my guru as you put it. He is a Doctor that saw a pattern and created the book Foundations and coined the term AB-PA. The book was no ordinary book. It was a story of what was happening in my life. It is a story that is happening (Has happened) to so many people world wide. Dr. Warshak wrote a book called Divorce Poison and it is amazing. The only issue, it does not have the working model that Foundations has, and that the APA can adopt.
Also, you made a comment " I am killing children and families.".
For you not to comprehend that a result of AB-PA sometimes brings people to suicide makes me wonder: expert?.
I have seen way to many death notices on these Facebook forums to know this is real. Every time I see another post like that, my heart breaks and my life saddens. There goes another child that will live without their parent or a parent that will live without their child. The sooner we get everyone on board with AB-PA or just Parental Alienation the less people will have to go through this living nightmare.
The point I am trying to make is the same one I have for all the "experts".
GET TOGETHER, BACK UP EACH OTHER, and SOLVE THIS, before we all see another obituary of a child or a parent!
Kenneth Gottfried